Wednesday, November 26, 2014

IS JESUS GOD?

Melchizedek was without Father without mother having no beginning of days and ending of life. He was called the King of Salem, the King of Peace. Jesus was born and died, of course God can not die he is the only immortal King. But Jesus is known as the Prince of Peace, and the prince is the son of a King.
No. 1) There is only One God and He is the Father of Jesus Christ, Only One person is God, there’s only One God.
Exodus 20: 2-3 I am thy God, Thou shalt have no other,
Deut 6:4 The Lord our God is One Lord,
John 17:3 The Only True God John 8: 54he is your God:
Isaiah 54:5 The Holy One of Israel, Not two, not three but one.
Romans 15:6 God, even Thy God,
John 20:17 To my God and your God
1 Corinthians 8:6 One God, the Father,
1 Corinthians 15:424 To God, even Thy Father,
2 Corinthians 1:3 God, even Thy Father
Ephesians 1:17 God of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all,
1 Thessalonians 3:13 God, even our Father,
2 Thessalonians 2:16 God, even our Father,
James 3:9 God, even our Father,
2 John 3 From God the Father, Jesus Christ the son of the Father
Revelations 3:12 My God, my God, my God, my God
No. 2) Jesus has a God. God is sovereign, He doesn’t answer to anyone. He has no one above Him that is God. Therefore, if Jesus (the Son of God) is God, then why does He speak of another who is God? And if Jesus has a God, then who is this God if Jesus Himself is God? Therefore, Jesus, was not “God the Son”, but He was the “Son of God”. He had a God and that God was His Father and that Father indwelt Him.
John 20: 17 to my God, and your God,
Revelations 3:12 My God, My God, My God, my God
Psalms 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mark 15: 34 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 27:46 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Forsaken means “totally abandon”. Can God abandon Himself?
2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord
Ephesians 1:3 The God and Father of our Lord
Ephesians 1:17 The God of our Lord Jesus Christ
1 Peter 1:3 The God and Father of our Lord
Hebrews 1:89 God, even thy God, hath anointed
Psalm 45:67 God, thy God hath anointed thee
Revelation 1:6 Unto his God
2 Corinthians 1:3 God of our Lord Jesus
Hebrews 5:78 Offered up prayers unto him
Luke 6:12 All night in prayer to God
Matthew 11:25 O Father, Lord of heaven and earth
John 17:1 Father, the hour is come
Matthew 26:3942 My Father, if it be possible
No. 3) Jesus never claimed to be God, but the Son of God.
Psalms 45:6-7 God, Even thy God hath anointed thee
Matthew 16: 16 The Son of the living God.
John 8: 54 my Father whom ye say, that he is your God:
John 10: 36 I am the Son of God?
Ephesians 1:317 the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Hebrews 1:8 Unto the Son he saith
Hebrews 1:9 God, Even thy God hath anointed thee
Romans 15: 6 God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 8: 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father,
2 Corinthians 1:311: 31 God and Father of Jesus Christ,
2 Corinthians 1: 3 God, even Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Peter 1:3 the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
2 Peter 1: 17 God the Father …This is my beloved Son,
2 John 1: 3 God the Father, and Jesus Christ, Son of the Father,
2 John 1:9 hath both Father and the Son.
Revelations 1:6 Unto God and his father
And what about Jesus Himself, what did He have to say about his relationship with His own Father?
John 20:17 my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 2: 16,5:17,436: 32658:1928,38,49,5410:17,18,2529,3032,37 12:26,14:2,7,12,20,212315:1,8,10,24 18:11,20:21, “My father
No. 4) How was Jesus and God one? Answer: God is the Word and His Word is Life, Jesus manifest God’s Word, God’s God-Life.
John 10: 30–38 I and my Father are one, My father dwelleth in me…
John 14:8-10 you see me you see my Father, My Father dwells in Me,
Matthew 12: 18 in whom my soul is…: I will put my spirit on him,
Mark 1: 11 Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am…
Matthew 17: 5 This is my beloved Son, in whom I am…
Matthew 3: 17 This is my beloved Son, in whom I am…
John 17:11 they may be one, as we are.John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, they also may be one in us: 22 the glory which thou gave me I’ve given them; that they may be one, even as we’re one: We are one with God by receiving His Glory. Glory =Greek “doxa” means opinion, values, judgment of God.
No. 5) God is Greater than Jesus. Jesus was subject to His Father
John 10:29 My Father is greater than all
John 14: 28 for my Father is greater than I.
Matthew 20:23 Prepared of my Father
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Subject to Father
Zechariah 3:8 My servant the Branch
Matthew 12:18 Behold my servant in whom
Philippians 2:7,8 as servant
Romans 5:19 Obedience of one.
Hebrews 1:9 Thy God hath anointed thee
Psalms 45:6-7 The God hath anointed thee
Hebrews 5:7,8 Offered up prayers unto Him
Luke 6:12 all night in prayer unto God
Matthew 11:25 O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth
John 17:1 Father the hour is come
Matthew 26: 3942 My Father if it be possible
I Corinthians 11:3 The head of Christ is God
1 Corinthians 3:23 Christ is God’s…
Matthew 20:23 Not mine to give but my Father
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Son himself subject to Father
Jesus admits the Father is greater than He. This word Greater was translated from Greek word meaning not only “greater” but also “older”. When Trinitarian tells you that Jesus was co-eternal and co-equal with His Father, how can he when the Son himself denied he was. All sons have beginnings. Then how could the Son be the Eternal Father?
Isaiah 9: 6 (A) “For unto us a child is born”, if born has a beginning, therefore not eternal…if born someone before him to give birth to him. Born suggests pedigree and lineage, also suggest to bring forth.
(B) unto us son is given: He’s a gift, giver is greater than gift. John 3:16
(C) government shall be upon his shoulder: Luke 1: 32 called Son of the Highest: Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
(D) his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Now, let’s examine the last portion which deals with the name of this child, this Son that will be born: Wonderful, (is wonderful a name? No.) Counselor, (is counselor a name? No. It’s a title.) Mighty God, (is Might God a name? ) The everlasting Father, (Is Father a name? No!) The Prince of Peace ( Is Prince of Peace a name? No.) Now, there’s only one name of the Ever Lasting Father, the Mighty God, the Counselor, etc. That name is Jesus. What then does it mean His name shall be “called”. This word “called” was translated from the Hebrew word “qara” which means “To proclaim” His name shall proclaim the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father. Father’s name.
No. 6) Jesus came in his Father’s name, Father’s name is Jesus.
John 5: 4310:25 I am come in my Father’s name,
Therefore the name of the Father was Jesus, the same name given to the Son. The Apostle Paul said, “God was IN Christ reconciling the world unto Himself”. He didn’t say God was Christ, but “God was In Christ”.
2 Corinthians 5: 19 “God was in Christ”, Paul is not teaching here that Jesus was the Fullness of the Godhead, but he is teaching that IN Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead.
Colossians 2:9 in him dwells all fullness of the Godhead bodily. Peter did not teach that the Holy Ghost was Jesus, but witnessed God the Father spoke and said that He came down and dwelt IN His Son.
2 Peter 1: 17 God the Father, This is my beloved Son, in whom I
John 10: 25 works I do in my Father’s name, bear witness of me.
No. 7) Jesus Prayed to his Father who is God.
John 14: 16John 16:26John 17:91520I pray Matthew 6: 9Matthew 11: 25,Matthew 14:23Matthew 26:363942,53Luke 6:12Luke 9:28Luke 11:2,Mark 6:46Hebrews 5:7,8
No. 8) Son of God could learn, could increase his knowledge.
Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience
Luke 2:52 Jesus increased in wisdom, stature, favor with God…
No. 9) Jesus was Obedient to his Father in all things. God can not be obedient to anyone outside Himself if He is the Only Omnipotent God.
Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience
John 5:17 My father worketh hitherto and I work
John 5:19 The son can only do what he sees the father do first
John 5:30 The son can of Himself do nothing
John 8: 29 I do always those things that please him.
John 10:18 This commandment received I of my Father
John 10:25 the works I do in my Fathers name
John 10:32 works I showed you from my Father
John 12:49 Father gave me commandment what to say and do
John 12:50 as my Father said to me so I speak
John 14:31 The Father gave me commandment
No. 10) Jesus was made perfect. This means the Son of God could change in His stature, wisdom and maturity.
Hebrews 5:9 being made perfect, if he was made perfect then he was not born that way. Malachi 3:6 & Hebrews 13:8God can not change Luke 2:40 the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, (maturity) and in favor (influence) with God and man.
No. 11) Jesus was not Omniscient, God is Omniscient.
Isaiah 40:1314 Jesus received his knowledge from God
John 8:28, of that day/hour knoweth no man … but my Father only
Mark 13:32 of that day/hour knoweth no man…my Father only
Matthew 24:36 “of that day/hour knows no man, my Father only
Luke 2:52 Jesus increased in wisdom and stature
John 5:19 the Son can do nothing but what the Father shows him
John 8:28 My father hath taught me
Mark 13:32 no man knows the day, neither the son, the father only
No. 12) The son of God is subject to God in all things.
I Corinthians 15:28 the Son also himself shall be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
John 5:19 The son can of himself do nothing
John 5: 30 The son can of himself do nothing
John 8: 29 I do always those things that please him.
John 10:18 This commandment received I of my Father
John 12:49 Father gave me commandment what to say and do
John 12:50 as my Father said to me so I speak
John 14:31 The Father gave me commandment
No. 13) Jesus dependent upon Father to restore His Glory.
John 17:5 O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. This tells us that he had it but stepped aside from it, and now is asking for it to be restored to Him again. Most notable is the fact that He stripped Himself of all privilege when he came to earth to take on the form of man, and emptied Himself out completely and took on the nature of a bond-slave. The Weymouth Translation says, “Although from the very beginning He had the nature of God, He did not reckon equality with God a treasure to be tightly grasped. Nay, He stripped Himself of His Glory, and took on Him the nature of a bondservant, a man like other men. As a bond slave, the main attribute expressed is submission to the will of the slave owner.
No. 14) Jesus was dependent upon the will of God His Father.
Hebrews 10:7 I come to do thy will, O God
Hebrews 10:9 I come to do thy will, O God.
Luke 11:2 Thy will be done
Luke 22:42 Not my will but Thy will be done
Matthew 6;10 Thy will be done
Matthew 26:42 Thy will be done
Matthew 7:21 he that doeth the will of my Father
Matthew 12:50 whosoever shall do the will of my Father
John 5:30 I seek not my own will but the will of my Father
John 6:38 I came down not to do my will but His will that sent me
John 8:29 I always do those things that please Him
No. 15) God and Jesus are not one like your finger is one,
John 5:32 two must bear witness, another beareth witness of me
John 5:36 another bears witness of me. A greater witness, the father…
John 5:37 Father himself, which sent me, has borne witness of me
8:17-18 the testimony of two me is true, I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me
No. 16) Jesus was dependent upon His Father for His Doctrine.
John 7:16 My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 10:18 This commandment received I of my Father
John 12:49 Father gave me commandment what to say and do
John 12:50 as my Father said to me so I speak
John 14:31 The Father gave me commandment
No. 17) The Father sent the Son.
I John 4:1 Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
John 5:235:305:365:37 Father sent me, the Father sent me.
John 6:396:446:57 The Living Father hath sent me
John 20:21 As my Father sent me
John 8:1618 the Father that sent me
John 8:2942 I did not come of my own but the Father sent me
John 10:36 Whom the father sanctified and sent into the world
John 12:49 the Father which sent me
John 14:24, the Father which sent me
John 17 :21, 17:25 believe that thou hast sent me
No. 18) God raised up Jesus from the dead he didn’t raise Himself.
Acts 2:2432 This Jesus hath God raised up
Acts 3:1526 God raised up his son Jesus
Acts4:10 God raised from the dead,
Acts 5: 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus,
Acts 10: 40 Him God raised up
Acts 13:2313:3013:3313:3413:37 God raised him
Acts 17:31 But God raised him from the dead:
Ephesians 1:202:6 God raised up Jesus
Romans 4: 246: 48:1110:9 God hath raised him from the dead
Galatians 1:1 God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
1Corinthians 6: 14, God raised up 15:15 God raised up Christ
2 Corinthians 4:14 He that raised up the Lord Jesus from the dead
Colossians 2:12 God who hath raised him from the dead
1 Peter 1:21 God raised him up
1 Thessalonians 1:10 raised up his son
No. 19) Jesus died, God can not die.
2 Corinthians 4:10 The dying of the lord Jesus
1 Thessalonians 4:14 Jesus died and rose again
John 19:40 they buried the body of Jesus
John 12:7 Mark 9:31 Mark 10:34 Jesus spoke of his death
John 19:33 they saw that Jesus was already dead
I Corinthians 15:3 Christ died for our sins 1 Timothy 6:15-16 Who only hath immortality 1 Timothy 1:17 unto the King eternal immortal invisible
No. 20) Jesus hungered, thirsted Weary, God Is spirit
Matthew 4:2, Jesus hungered
Mark 11:12 he was hungry
John 19:28 I thirst
John 4:6. being wearied with his journey
Psalm 121: 3Psalm 121: 4 God neither sleeps nor slumbers
No. 21) Jesus was Tempted, God can not be tempted
Matthew 4:1 Jesus was tempted
Mark 1:13 Jesus was tempted
Luke 4:2 Being 40 days tempted of the devil
No. 22) Jesus Suffered, God can not suffer
Luke 24:2624:46 Ought not Christ to have suffered
Acts 3: 1817: 326:23 that Christ should suffer
1 Peter 1:11 Sufferings of Christ
1 Peter 2:1 Christ suffered for us
1 Peter 3:18 once suffered for our sins
1 Peter 4:14:13 Christ hath suffered for us
1 Peter 5:1 Suffering’s of Christ
No. 23) Son received Life from Father. Father is author of Life.
Luke 1:35 that Holy thing shall be called the son of God
John 5:26 Father hath life in himself; He gave to Son to have life.
John 6:57 I live by the father
No. 24) The Man Jesus is the mediator between God and Man.
1 Timothy 2:5 One mediator between God & man, man Jesus.
Galatians 3:20 A mediator is not of One, but God is One. A mediator is a 3rd party in dispute between 2 others.
No. 25) God Exalted Jesus. He who exalts self shall be abased.
Philippians 2: 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him
Acts 2: 335: 31 Him hath God exalted
Matthew23:12Luke14:11,18:14 Who exalts self shall be abased;
No. 26) Jesus Anointed Lord & Christ by God His Father.
Luke 1:31-33 God shall give him his throne Rev. 3:21 On fathers throne
John 5;22, 5:27 Father commits authority to son to execute judgment
Acts 2:36, God hath made Jesus both Lord and Christ
Acts 10:3810:42, God anointed Jesus with Holy Ghost,
Acts17:31 God hath made this same Jesus Lord and Christ
No. 27) The Son of God is not sovereign, God is sovereign.
John 5:17 Jesus accused by Jews for working on Sabbath because He healed on Sabbath. His answer is found in verse17. But Jesus answered them, My Father works hitherto, and I work.18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but He said that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. 19 Then answered Jesus unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things so ever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. Jesus tells the Jews he’s helpless unless the Father shows him what to do. He says, the Son can do nothing. Then the son cannot save, he cannot heal, he cannot redeem, he can do nothing, unless shown by the Father what to do. These are not the words of One who is Sovereign.
But God is Sovereign. God is Omniscient and Omnipotent.
1. One who is sovereign answers to no one.
2. One who is sovereign reigns supreme above all.
3. One who is sovereign is completely independent of all others.
Therefore, the Son of God is not Sovereign, God alone is sovereign. Jesus was completely dependent upon his Father to act and speak. He did not have his own words, works, nor doctrine, and he subjected His own will to his Father. It is God that is sovereign and He indwelt his Son who was dependent on Him in all things. God is Omniscient, God is Omnipotent, but his son is always dependent on His Father for everything including; speaking, acting, His doctrine, and even submitting His own will to the Father’s will.
Jesus said, “Father, I would that you take this cup from me, But not My will but Thine be done”, etc. Those are not words of a sovereign. All scripture speaking of the son show he is not sovereign. John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. Notice Jesus was dependent on God to show Him a vision of what to do.
John 5:21 For as the Father raises up the dead, and quickens them; even so the Son quickens whom The Father wills.John 5:22 For the Father judges no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son
Romans 15:5 The God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
John 12:44 He that believes on me, believes him that sent me.
John 5:23 all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which hath sent him. When we honor the Son we honor the Father, because the Son only does what the Father instructs Him to do. Thus what we see is the Father working and the son working hitherto. When we give honor to the son we acknowledge the Father’s pre-eminent role, and the son’s role of complete obedience to His Father.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, & shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 14:10b The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwells in me, he doeth the works.
Trinitarians use several arguments to explain how God and Jesus are one like your finger is one. Oneness only do the same, but with a different application. Whereas Trinitarians see at three individuals involved, they try to make them one like a triangle with three corners. But God and His son are one by God’s Word. God is the Word, and His Word was expressed in the person of His son. The following Scriptures Trinitarians use to try to explain a Trinitarian Godhead.
Philippians 2:6 Being in the form of GodColossians 1:15 The image of the invisible God 2 Corinthians 4:4 Christ, who is the image of God John 12:45 He that seeth me seeth him John 14:9 he that hath Seen me hath seen the FatherColossians 1:19 In him all fullness dwellColossians 2:9 In him dwelleth all the fullness Hebrews 1:3 Express image of his person
These scriptures can be broken down into two categories of argument. One, they believe that Jesus was in the form of God means that He is God. This they reason because they do not understand English. A Form or image is not the same as the original. And they do not understand God-life.
Bible teaches us God placed in the woman’s womb the complete body.
Hebrews 10:5 “A body hast thou prepared me” (ie: both egg and sperm)Hebrews 1:3 The man Jesus (the body, the son of God) was born with every attribute and characteristic that was in God. In other words, God infused his Divine DNA so to speak, (all that He was intrinsically into the gene pool of the son of God) and therefore that Body was a living breathing replica of the Father, but it was not the father, but in “the Image” of the Father. And if it is an image of it is not the Father Himself. This doesn’t suggest for one minute that Jesus the son of God is God the son. “image” means likeness or impressed character. Jesus was the physical expression of God-Life in the man. His character reflected all that is God or that God-Life could be expressed in a physical body. Therefore, Men could know God’s character e by looking at the life of Jesus. His life revealed holiness, righteousness, justice, love, mercy, loving-kindness, truth, sincerity, and faithfulness. Jesus was godly; He was God-like in character and conduct. Jesus was not God Himself; He reflected God’s character in His life.

31 comments:

  1. Thomas, I am afraid I have never discussed the 'rapture' theory as I have not gone into doctrines of various denominations. I have always been led by scripture. I don't believe it is coincidence that I have come across you and, although our experiences in the Lord may be quite different I believe that you are led by the Word of God from what I have seen so far. I have not had time to read much of what you have written, but have read your post 'Jesus said at the last day' and note it is very scriptural. I want to add your blog to my blog list so that I can come over and read your posts easily whenever I can, and others will be able to view your blog there too. I believe each person must give testimony to how they believe the Lord is in their life and by sharing with each other the truth will break through confusion.
    God bless you Thomas.

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  2. Hi Thomas again,
    for some reason your recent post is not showing on my blog until I actually go into your blog, and is showing right at the bottom of my blog list. I don't know how to fix that, it may be that when you put another post on it will update.

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  3. I have just read all of this post and how can I not say 'Amen' to scripture. We have a beautiful God who sent His wonderful Son to stand in the gap and become our mediator, so that we can be reconciled back to Him.

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    1. Thank you Brenda, Happy Thanksgiving! !!

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  4. Hi brother Thomas, Yes, I have read this post and I can see that you have put a lot of work into it.
    But what can I say?

    Well plainly, it's simply not true!
    I think that you should seriously reconsider your teaching concerning the Lord Jesus Christ who is 'God over all' (Rom.9:5).
    And Jesus said that, 'If you do not know that I am He, you will die in your sin' (John 8:24).
    I hope that you know what that means, do you?
    I gladly talk to you about that great error, and I am not really an ogre, perhaps I just sound like one :-)
    Your brother Paul

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    1. Thank you Paul, I used to attend a church that taught "Jesus name only".

      After much prayer and Bible reading, I can't believe that any more.

      I can't teach anything but the word of God!!!

      Hope you had a happy thanksgiving!

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  6. Yes Thomas, I know that there are a lot of weird churches around who teach the weirdest doctrines, and to a certain degree we all have been influenced or polluted by them.
    I do not belong to any church or denomination, nor do I believe their doctrines.

    I wrestled for years with certain doctrines till the Lord Jesus took me aside and taught me His doctrines, so I claim :-)
    Like it is with any doctrine, they have to pass through the fire and whatever is not true will be burned up and the Lord Jesus will make sure of that, because He is a consuming fire.

    You also said that you teach nothing else except the Word of God, so please tell me; throughout the entire Bible, when concerning God the title 'LORD' is used, what does that mean?
    Does that mean the Lord Mayor or what?

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  7. Thomas, teaching the Word of God is not quoting Scriptures.
    Teaching is the explanation of the text, and that's where we greatly differ.

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  8. Thomas, if God didn't die on the cross, then who did?

    Jesus said, 'there is only one who is good, and that is God' (Mark 10:18).

    If there is only one who is good to be a sacrifice for sins, then that has to be the Lord Jesus Christ.

    If there is only God who is good, what does that make Jesus, if He wouldn't be that God?

    Not unless Jesus is that 'God' who alone is good.
    And it was Jesus who died on the cross, the only God there is (Jude 1:25).

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  9. Thomas;
    In the Bible they all worshiped the Lord Jesus Christ.

    (John 9:35-41, in v.38) And he worshiped the Lord Jesus Christ.

    (Mat.2:2) The wise men fell don and worshiped the lord Jesus Christ.

    (Mat.28:9) They took hold of His feet and worshiped Jesus Christ our Lord.

    (Mat.14:33) The Apostles worshiped the Lord Jesus and there are many more.

    It is God who said that you shall worship no other!

    So then, I worship the Lord Jesus Christ the only God (Jude 1;25), and who do you worship?

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  10. If God had a Son (Jesus) and that Son would also be a God, then there would be two God's.
    And if both together are one God, then each God would only be half a God.
    If God had a Son, who then was His wife?

    Well Thomas, whatever reasoning we use, it doesn't add up! That is because it's not TRUE.
    The truth is that the Lord Jesus is nobody's Son, He is only CALLED the Son of God (Luke 1:35) and that is in a metaphorical sense.
    The truth is that Jesus Christ is the Almighty God, the creator of heaven and earth, the first and the last who was born into His own creation and for that reason Jesus is CALLED the Son of God.

    Brother Thomas, it is good that you only teach the Word of God, but you need to do that by the Spirit of the Lord, for the Spirit has been given to magnify and testify to Jesus Christ, and any other spirit is not the Spirit of God.

    I think that you need to turn back again to Jesus Christ our Lord and preach Him alone.
    If you have any difficulty with certain Bible passages, I would gladly help you along the rocky road.
    As I said previously that I'm not really an ogre, I only sound like one :-)
    Paul

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  11. Paul, I was just reading your comment regarding Romans ch. 9 v. 5. If you read the original King James version of the Bible interprets that verse as 'God blessed for ever' which changes the meaning completely. Regarding this verse that you have quoted :=
    , 'there is only one who is good, and that is God' (Mark 10:18). Jesus also said 'And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.' Unless we see God as 'Spirit' the scriptures will make no sense at all. For me, one of the most beautiful chapters in the Bible is John ch. 14 which goes together with 'In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

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  12. Brenda, the Scriptures only makes sense when we look to Jesus.

    We can not see God as 'Spirit', we can only see God in Jesus Christ, just as the Scriptures said, "Now the Lord (Jesus) is the Spirit," (2 Cor.3:17).

    Concerning Mark 10:18, Yes Jesus said ' why do you call me good,' and then He states, 'that only GOD alone is good.'
    Here we have to ask our self the question, is the Lord Jesus GOOD or not?
    If we say 'yes' He is good, it follows that Jesus Christ is that only God who alone is good.
    If we say 'no', He is not good, then we are in serious trouble, and we need to ask, who then is that God who alone is good?

    Brenda, (Mark 10:18) you need to hear the Lord Jesus asking you, 'Brenda, why do you call Me good?'

    All I have said is also confirmed in your most beautiful chapter John 14.
    By the way, John chapter 14 is also one of my favourite chapters :-)

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    1. Paul, the reason this post is here, it to clearly show who "GOD" is, and who his Son is. The bulk of scripture is clear, and is posted for ease of reference in the above post. Please read it verse by verse, line upon line.
      Thanks... :)

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  13. Jesus was good Paul because He was the express image of God, not in fleshly form but in Spirit form, and that is what Jesus was saying when He said 'Why do you call me good?' What the Ruler was calling good was the man he was looking on, as the carnal man can only judge by what he sees or hears, but what Jesus was portraying to the ruler was that it is not what you see or hear that is good, it is the Spirit inside that defines what is good. Jesus was telling the ruler that it is the Spirit inside a man that defines whether he is good or not.

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  14. Yes Thomas, I understand your intention of this post, and you have done a great job to put all those verses together.
    But what I can see is that you do not ascribe that 'GOD' to Jesus Christ, and the reason for that is, that you don't believe any more that Jesus Christ ALONE is the only 'one' God there is.
    You have fallen away from the Lord Jesus and you need to turn back again to Jesus Christ our Lord.

    To clearly show who God is, you need to tell us His Name and point to Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Also you need to divide the Metaphors from the reality, you should not amalgamate them, or you will end up in error.

    Just look at your first presupposition, "Melchizedek was without Father without mother having no beginning of days and ending of life. He was called the King of Salem, the King of Peace. Jesus was born and died, of course God can not die he is the only immortal King. But Jesus is known as the Prince of Peace, and the prince is the son of a King."
    You suppose that this passage of Hebrews ch.7 is talking about a mere man named Melchizedeck, but you greatly err, that passage is talking about the Lord Jesus Christ.
    There is only ONE man who has NO mother NO Father NO genealogy NO beginning of days NO end of life, and that is the man Christ Jesus our Lord and only God (Jude 1:25).

    Jesus had no Father because He is the Father, in other words, He is the Father incarnate in flesh.
    Adam also had no mother, but he had a Father and that Father was the only God there is, Jesus Christ our Lord.
    It is Jesus who remains a Priest forever and not Melchizedek.
    Wow brother, I love Melchizedeks story! But to go into details it would take to many pages.

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  15. No Brenda, the Lord Jesus is in fleshly form the exact image of God.
    The Spirit of the Lord Jesus is omnipresent and without form.
    Some may say, 'in the form of a dove (Mat.3:16)', but I think not.
    Remember, the Lord Jesus created Adam in His own fleshly image, the first Adam like the second Adam.

    So the Lord prepared Himself a body of flesh, but only for the purpose to be born into His own creation and to pay the penalty of sins and transgression for us on the cross. The Lord Jesus is the Spirit and doesn't need a body apart from the cross, and to make Himself known so that we can look at God and live.

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  16. No Paul, the first Adam was not like the second Adam. The first Adam was formed from dust 'And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.' (Genesis ch. 2 v. 7). This Adam sinned. The second Adam, Jesus, was a 'life- giving spirit.(1 Corinthians ch. 15 v. 45). This 'Adam' did not sin, although He was made to BE sin ( For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.). Although Jesus, the second Adam, was sent in the likeness of sinful flesh, there was nothing of fleshly man connected to His being formed in the womb.
    'Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
    And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. ' ( Luke ch. 1 vs. 34, 35 ).

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  17. AMEN Brenda, I fully agree with you.
    I see that the first Adam was made perfect just like the second Adam (Jesus) with minor differences as you have explained it.

    Even though we all are born of women except Adam, (perhaps Adam did not have a belly button as Jesus had) but ultimately we all come from the dust and to dust we shall return. All flesh is made from dust, but the flesh of Jesus was like the flesh of Adam and not like you and me. If Adam didn't sin, he would not have died.

    With the Lord Jesus it was a little different, because Jesus was without sin, therefore Jesus could not die. Yes Jesus did die, but that was only possible because Jesus became sin for us, He was considered to be OUR sin on the cross and therefore it was possible for Jesus to die for us.

    But as you know, sin could not hold Him down and He rose on the third day to be alive forever more, He conquered death and by His triumph and resurrection He purchased our resurrection twofold, first from our spiritual death and caused us to be born again and a little later our physical body resurrection, so that we will be like Jesus.

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  18. I can't really say that the first Adam was made perfect just like the second Adam Paul, because there is obviously a difference between a 'living being' and a 'life giving spirit', and I can not see that perfection is in the flesh when Romans ch. 8 v.3 states that flesh is sinful:- '.For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.'

    As for what we will be like eventually I can only agree with what 1 John ch. 3 vs. 2-3 says:- 'Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.'

    I really believe that there are so many things we do not see clearly but I also believe that if we do whatever we believe we are being shown to do from the enlightened word of God, (pick up our manna and eat it) then we shall end up in the promised land. We are all learning and maturing in Christ while we are Spiritual Israel and part of His body.

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  19. Brenda, when the Lord made Adam, He made him perfect, because He is perfect and He made him in His image which is perfect.
    (Gen.1:31) "Everything that He had made, and behold it was very good,"

    Yes Brenda, perfection is in the flesh but only with the first Adam and also with the second Adam Jesus Christ. Remember, Jesus was the perfect lamb of God without blemish.

    Sin entered the flesh, and through the flesh Satan had access into the perfect flesh of the sons of God.
    Eve opened the door through her sin for Satan to enter into mankind. After her sin, demon-possession, sickness, diseases and every evil devil had access into mankind, starting with the serpents first son Cain who murdered his half-brother Abel.

    Yes you are right, the flesh is now sinful, but that was not so in the beginning before the fall.

    You said,
    "but I also believe that if we do whatever we believe we are being shown to do from the enlightened word of God, (pick up our manna and eat it) then we shall end up in the promised land."

    I'm not sure what you mean by that?

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  20. Thomas, because this is your blog, I am not sure if it is right for me to continue this discussion with Paul. If it is alright then you say, if not then I will respect that, although I have to say that I enjoy discussions and I like your input too.

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  21. Paul, I will just say this:- Where Genesis ch. 2 v. 4 says 'This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,' I believe that the earth and the heavens spoken about here are referring to the descendants of the first Adam formed from dust ( the fleshly, living being) and the descendants of the second Adam Jesus ( the spiritual, life giving spirit ). I don't believe it is talking about the 'earth', or ground of the planet and the 'heavens' , or the sky. The reason I believe this is because in that verse the 'history' should read 'generations' as it was originally the Hebrew word 'toledoth' which literally means 'generations'. In answer to your last question I believe that we must do what we are called to do ( and each of us should know what we are called to do) by being in correspondence with God through the enlightened written word spoken to us as we are instructed through the scriptures, just like the Israelites picked up the manna on the way to the promised land. We are on the same journey spiritually. We are the Israel of God ' For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God
    (Galatians ch. 6 vs. 15, 16). There is loads more I would love to share and discuss on this but it is very difficult for any of us to share what we have learned in maybe thirty odd years in one short space of time.

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  22. Oh yes Brenda, there is lots to talk about, but in writing it takes to many pages.

    A short question concerning your few, in Genesis, is God then a fleshly living being and not a spiritual living being?
    Remember God created Adam in His own image and you said that Adam was created a fleshly living being?

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  23. No Paul I did not say that Adam was 'created' a fleshly living being, I said he was 'formed from dust. '.God is spirit, Paul,and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth, and I believe that is what is meant on the sixth day when it states 'Let us make man (plural meaning mankind (both male and female already formed), not one fleshly man that was formed from the earth) in our (God, Spirit, and Jesus who was born held in a woman's womb but inseminated by God's Spirit) image.

    From Genesis ch. 5 there is no mention of the fall and the Adam there is referred to as being created and in God's image, so I believe that is spiritually speaking to those who are born again. Genesis ch. 6 goes on to say about the sons of God mixing with the daughters of men and I believe that this is instruction (as in ',All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,') that God can use with one who has been born again who is in danger of being unequally yoked with an unbeliever. It is a living word and God will speak any scripture to His children, the ones born again of the Spirit who Jesus calls His 'brethren', according to what they need at the time I love the way that the scriptures make sense to the spiritual mind but no sense at all to the carnal mind, and although we may not be able to teach one another, we can share our thoughts with one another.

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  24. You are correct Brenda. Thank you.

    Paul, William Tyndale had a better translation of John 1:1-4 that may help you learn who Jesus is. I have a new post borrowed from a friends blog called "JESUS AND THE WORD".
    Please take the time to read it. :)

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  25. Brenda, Adams flesh was created out of dust.
    Adam was not dust but flesh, just like Jesus, and Jesus is the Spirit who dwells in flesh.
    Genesis 1, 2 and 3 is a natural creation and not spiritual.

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  26. Adam's flesh was formed from dust Paul, Adam only had God's breath in his nostrils. It does not say that the first Adam's descendants had the spirit of God within them. They were denied from eating from the tree of life (which would have let them live forever) because of Adam's disobedience. 'Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: ( Genesis ch. 3 v. 17). Because they had eaten from the tree which would give them knowledge of good and evil when God had told them not to eat, they were denied eating from the tree of life. 'Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—'(Genesis ch. 3 v.22)

    It says in John ch. 7 vs. 37-39 ' On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.'

    We were able to become children of God by receiving Jesus. ' But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become sons of God, even to them that believe on his name,' (John ch. 1 v. 12).
    This does not take away the scripture that says 'For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestine to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.' (Romans ch. 8 v. 29)

    Also, in Genesis ch. 1 it states 'Let us make man in our image', the 'man' there being plural, done on the sixth day. I believe it is God and His Son Jesus making sinful mankind in the spiritual image of God (the church being the body and Jesus being the head, all one with God) on the sixth day (six thousand years after the first Adam, as in one day is as a thousand years with God).

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  27. Brenda, you said,'Adam's flesh was formed from dust Paul, Adam only had God's breath in his nostrils. It does not say that the first Adam's descendants had the spirit of God within them.'

    As for me, 'formed' means the same as created, or made.

    I am talking about Adam and not of his descendants. His descendants were born spirituality dead because of his sin, But Adam was created in the image of the Lord Jesus by the Lord Jesus, and Jesus has the Spirit of God in Him just like Adam had, before he sinned.

    Adam was spiritually alive, therefore the Lord said, 'for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.'
    Did he die on that DAY?
    He surely did! But spiritually, his spirit was separated from the Lord, which is called spiritual death, and 950 years later his soul was separated from his body, called physical death.

    You said, 'Also, in Genesis ch. 1 it states 'Let us make man in our image', the 'man' there being plural, done on the sixth day. I believe it is God and His Son Jesus making sinful mankind in the spiritual image of God (the church being the body and Jesus being the head, all one with God) on the sixth day (six thousand years after the first Adam, as in one day is as a thousand years with God).'

    No Brenda no, I hope that you don't believe that.
    What troubles me is, I think you really believe that.

    Two gods making sinful man?
    And in which sinful image?

    No Brenda, that's the result of a wrong foundation and you desperately need to deal with that.
    Perhaps start first with the doctrine of God, and the rest will easily follow.

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  28. Paul if you say
    'I am talking about Adam and not of his descendants. His descendants were born spirituality dead because of his sin, But Adam was created in the image of the Lord Jesus by the Lord Jesus, and Jesus has the Spirit of God in Him just like Adam had, before he sinned.',

    then why, when Adam sinned by eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Genesis ch. 3 v. 22), would God say '“Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—

    If Adam was already in the image of God, then why would He become like 'Us' as God puts it, after eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Surely anyone can see that Adam was not like God (and, as I believe, Jesus the Word of God) when he was first formed, according to that scripture.

    If you say we should use anything other than the Bible as our doctrine, then anyone could say anything.

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